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Post by blahblahblah on Sept 15, 2008 3:16:44 GMT -4
Kanye premiered this first single from his upcoming album 808's & Heartbreak at the MTV VMA's. It features no rapping at all. It was easily my favourite performance and this song has been stuck in my head since. I think the live version was better than the studio version though. I don't know how I feel about Kanye singing with a vocoder. It just seems so unnecessary when he can carry a tune without it. I feel the same way about his verse in Young Jeezy's "Put On." Seems so unnecessary. www.kanyeuniversecity.com/blog/?em3106=205860_-1__0_~0_-1_5_2008_0_0&em3161=&em3281= |
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Post by a Nick O! on Sept 15, 2008 15:01:52 GMT -4
Kanye premiered this first single from his upcoming album 808's & Heartbreak at the MTV VMA's. It features no rapping at all. It was easily my favourite performance and this song has been stuck in my head since. I think the live version was better than the studio version though. I don't know how I feel about Kanye singing with a vocoder. It just seems so unnecessary when he can carry a tune without it. I feel the same way about his verse in Young Jeezy's "Put On." Seems so unnecessary. I went ahead and listened to my copy for the second time. I still don't think it's outstanding or anything, but it's better the second time and it's definitely solid. Also the drumline and hand claps, when they are used, sound of crappy quality in spots, even though my mp3 is allegedly 320kbps, so I think that might be taking away from my opinion. I'd probably like it more if I'd seen his VMA performance. Did he sing it live without Autotune/a vocoder, though? If not, then maybe he's not confident enough like Andre 3000 to stray too far into full-on singing just yet. That's my perception, anyway. I kind of get the feeling that that's how a rapper can get away with flirting with singing or can bridge the gap into singing if he chooses to do so. I love Kanye's verse on "Put On." Heck his Autotuned voice is largely the part I remember best and like the most about the song, particularly when he shifts the melody, around the time he refers to "Flashing Lights." Who would've thought that the crutch/gimmick T-Pain uses would not only have a shelf life beyond his first two hits, but that it would turn into a hip hop trend, used by Lil Wayne, Kanye West, and perhaps others that I'm forgetting. I guess hats off to those latter two for pushing the boundaries of hip hop. I've always loved vocoders, but I never wanted the effect to become a full-on trend that will be saturated and thus, tossed aside for years soon enough.  |
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Post by blahblahblah on Sept 18, 2008 2:41:57 GMT -4
I think he did sing with a vocoder live, but it was MUCH less noticeable than the recorded version. I dunno, I'd still rather he either raps or straight-up singing without a vocoder. It sounds too much of a gimmick to me.
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Post by blahblahblah on Sept 23, 2008 22:06:16 GMT -4
Looks like Kanye actually listened to the negative reactions from his fans and decided to redo the song. Good. He changed up the AutoTune and made the drums sound better. www.kanyeuniversecity.com/blog/?em3106=206428_-1__0_~0_-1_5_2008_0_0&em3281=I love this song now. It's been in my head for the last week. By the way, Snoop Dogg also does full-on singing (without a vocoder too, as in pre-"Sexual Eruption"), so there.  |
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Post by a Nick O! on Oct 7, 2008 15:19:51 GMT -4
The video isn't what I wanted it to be. He premiered it on Ellen DeGeneres' show. For now you can see it on her website.
I wanted it to be Kanye over green screen effects based entirely on the pulse and rhythm of the music. Maybe not unlike the "Viva la Vida" iPod commercial or something. Not nearly as ornate as that, though.
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Post by krazymack on Nov 12, 2008 8:17:01 GMT -4
Kanye is definitely a trendsetter. This song is hip and groovy. I love it so much! In fact it is my favorite out right now.
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Post by crash46 on Nov 12, 2008 14:12:39 GMT -4
I can't believe Kanye has gone from being the featured artist in "Slow Jamz", which I thought to be one of the worst songs of 2004 at the time, to today where I enjoy just about every release he puts out there.
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Post by a Nick O! on Nov 13, 2008 5:40:15 GMT -4
Kanye is definitely a trendsetter. Ironically, though, he stole the AutoTune effect from T-Pain who probably revived the sound from Roger Troutman. |
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Post by krazymack on Nov 13, 2008 8:15:57 GMT -4
Kanye is definitely a trendsetter. Ironically, though, he stole the AutoTune effect from T-Pain who probably revived the sound from Roger Troutman. Kanye and T-Pain have popularized the sound in this era. |
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Post by a Nick O! on Nov 13, 2008 17:28:34 GMT -4
Ironically, though, he stole the AutoTune effect from T-Pain who probably revived the sound from Roger Troutman. Kanye and T-Pain have has popularized the sound in this era. Of course. But Kanye stole the effect, used all over this song, from T-Pain, the "trendsetter." For better or worse. While I've derided T-Pain for using it as his gimmick (and creating s***ty singles on his first record; I barely respect him now), I've become a fan of the AutoTune effect, ironically, once it "caught on" and became utilized by other artists. (What can I say? I've always loved that vocoder sound.) Still, like every trend, it "catches on," will reach its saturation point, and soon enough fall out of favor once again. |
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Post by krazymack on Nov 13, 2008 19:18:23 GMT -4
Kanye and T-Pain have has popularized the sound in this era. Of course. But Kanye stole the effect, used all over this song, from T-Pain, the "trendsetter." For better or worse. While I've derided T-Pain for using it as his gimmick (and creating s***ty singles on his first record; I barely respect him now), I've become a fan of the AutoTune effect, ironically, once it "caught on" and became utilized by other artists. (What can I say? I've always loved that vocoder sound.) Still, like every trend, it "catches on," will reach its saturation point, and soon enough fall out of favor once again. A trendsetter doesn't has to always initiate a trend but that individual can popularize a given trend as well. In this case, Kanye is also a trendsetter because he is making T-Pain's vocoder effect more popular at this given time period. You need to double check the definition of the word "trendsetter" because you are talking through your ass right now. And don't you dare cross out my words that is rude and condescending....I know what I meant and you're clearly behaving like an arrogant troll. |
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Post by WotUNeed on Nov 13, 2008 20:19:57 GMT -4
In order for Kanye to be a trendsetter, he'd not only have to popularize the vocoder effect, but to get people to follow in his footsteps. Otherwise, he's just following the trend. It's pretty hard to say he's in any way gotten others to follow him, and in fact, I can't even see how he's doing any variation at all that would allow a subsequent usage of this effect, should it occur, to be traced back to him rather than T-Pain and company.
And just for the fun of it, I whipped out a dictionary so as not to be told I don't know what a trendsetter is, and the definition is: "one who or that which establishes trends in fashion, thought, etc." I'm not sure that Kanye's done anything different enough here that one can say he's establishing a trend.
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Post by krazymack on Nov 13, 2008 20:25:12 GMT -4
In order for Kanye to be a trendsetter, he'd not only have to popularize the vocoder effect, but to get people to follow in his footsteps. Otherwise, he's just following the trend. It's pretty hard to say he's in any way gotten others to follow him, and in fact, I can't even see how he's doing any variation at all that would allow a subsequent usage of this effect, should it occur, to be traced back to him rather than T-Pain and company. And just for the fun of it, I whipped out a dictionary so as not to be told I don't know what a trendsetter is, and the definition is: "one who or that which establishes trends in fashion, thought, etc." I'm not sure that Kanye's done anything different enough here that one can say he's establishing a trend. You can back up your internet buddy all you want because I will never be able to prove a point in any other fashion. Which is fine. I don't care. All I know is that thefreedictionary says, "One that initiates or popularizes a trend" and yourdictionary.com states, "a person, magazine, company, etc. that creates, espouses, or popularizes a trend or trends, as in fashions or ideas." So clearly in my mind, Kanye is a trendsetter with the vocoder sound: since "Love Lockdown" has gain popularity, especially according to the way I read the definition. (Which for me that only matters than having this frivolous and moronic "made for dorks" debate) |
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Post by crash46 on Nov 13, 2008 23:29:53 GMT -4
Of course. But Kanye stole the effect, used all over this song, from T-Pain, the "trendsetter." For better or worse. While I've derided T-Pain for using it as his gimmick (and creating s***ty singles on his first record; I barely respect him now), I've become a fan of the AutoTune effect, ironically, once it "caught on" and became utilized by other artists. (What can I say? I've always loved that vocoder sound.) Still, like every trend, it "catches on," will reach its saturation point, and soon enough fall out of favor once again. And don't you dare cross out my words that is rude and condescending....I know what I meant and you're clearly behaving like an arrogant troll. C'mon, man; that's an internet 'trend' too as far as I'm concerned, utilized to denote a partial agreement in this case. I don't think he was meaning to talk down to you at all. |
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Post by krazymack on Nov 14, 2008 0:17:05 GMT -4
And don't you dare cross out my words that is rude and condescending....I know what I meant and you're clearly behaving like an arrogant troll. C'mon, man; that's an internet 'trend' too as far as I'm concerned, utilized to denote a partial agreement in this case. I don't think he was meaning to talk down to you at all. It is a rude and condescending gesture as far as I am concerned. I am the recipient and can interpret the particular situation in the manner that I feel. There is no need to rush me in to your particular line of thinking. Let him do the talking himself instead of backing up the buddies. |
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Post by crash46 on Nov 14, 2008 3:05:05 GMT -4
No, I see both sides of the story here; I'm just saying all the time people just hit the reply button and use someone's quote as the only thing they post in a message. It indicates an agreement. In a lot of other cases they only agree to certain extents and quotes are edited with the slash-thru feature to reflect the different point of view. I'm sorry if you're offended by common internet practices.
And I'm sure Nick will come in and have his say; that is not the reason I stepped in here. I did so because as an administrator of this message board that has become a small but close-knit community for over three years, of which you are a welcome member and contributor, I did not like the direction this discussion was heading, and from my interpretation, it seems to have been all over a misunderstanding.
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Post by a Nick O! on Nov 14, 2008 5:07:22 GMT -4
A trendsetter doesn't has to always initiate a trend but that individual can popularize a given trend as well. In this case, Kanye is also a trendsetter because he is making T-Pain's vocoder effect more popular at this given time period. You need to double check the definition of the word "trendsetter" because you are talking through your ass right now. And don't you dare cross out my words that is rude and condescending....I know what I meant and you're clearly behaving like an arrogant troll. Well first of all, for you to tell me I'm talking "through my ass" was "rude and condescending" itself. Especially since you said that right before you made me aware you felt I was rude and condescending to you. I didn't bother to look up "trendsetter" before I referred that accolade to T-Pain only, but if I had, the only online dictionary I ever use is dictionary.com. The first definition says: "A person or thing that establishes a new trend or fashion." The second definition says: "One that initiates or popularizes a trend." So I'm using the word in the most commonly defined way. So we're both right. Pardon me for not being aware of the additional qualifier in its secondary definition. But was that not then "rude and condescending" of you to tell me I was "talking through my ass"? For what it's worth, Steve and WotUNeed (sorry, I don't know your first name) didn't think I was "clearly" behaving like an arrogant troll. (And how much of an internet buddy could the latter be if I don't even know his first name?  ) I struck through the words in your quote, as Steve suspected, because I was showing partial agreement with your sentence. It's a fairly common usage of the "strikethrough" feature here and at Pulse. You took that on such a personal level, though, as if I was disrespecting you on an intellectual level. I respect everyone here and would never intentionally talk down to somebody. I'm sorry you mistook me for attacking your integrity; that was not my intention whatsoever. Heck, if I want to be "rude and condescending" to somebody when striking through their quote, I'll say something like "Fixed" after I do it, sometimes with a winking or tongue-out emoticon. (And if I go that far, and still don't mean any ill will, then it's usually regarding something far more trivial than this ever was.) Olive branch? |
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Post by krazymack on Nov 14, 2008 6:46:01 GMT -4
Well first of all, for you to tell me I'm talking "through my ass" was "rude and condescending" itself. Especially since you said that right before you made me aware you felt I was rude and condescending to you. Yes, I still say you were talking through your ass because that was my reply to YOU after crossing out my statement when I used the correct definition in the manner that I read it from the dictionary in the first place. Internet practice or not. I do not care if I was rude, because it was rude to snidely acknowledge and dismiss my comment (through strikethrough features or whatever) as if what I was saying came from planet Mars. That's how I felt period and I don't feel any other way. You do that to your own post or buddies' post to correct, not mine. Aha...misunderstanding from both parties I guess. I didn't like I had to take a stance in the manner that I did. But some people simply are on a high horse. So the both of you (crash46, and Nick O!) can use your authority to do what you have to do with me here. Since I'm the angry, irrational and demented one who ONLY had the big MISUNDERSTANDING here. |
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Post by a Nick O! on Nov 18, 2008 3:36:15 GMT -4
Yes, I still say you were talking through your ass because that was my reply to YOU after crossing out my statement when I used the correct definition in the manner that I read it from the dictionary in the first place. Internet practice or not. I do not care if I was rude, because it was rude to snidely acknowledge and dismiss my comment (through strikethrough features or whatever) as if what I was saying came from planet Mars. That's how I felt period and I don't feel any other way. You do that to your own post or buddies' post to correct, not mine. Aha...misunderstanding from both parties I guess. I didn't like I had to take a stance in the manner that I did. But some people simply are on a high horse. So the both of you (crash46, and Nick O!) can use your authority to do what you have to do with me here. Since I'm the angry, irrational and demented one who ONLY had the big MISUNDERSTANDING here. Alright, man, look. The difference here was that you purposefully talked down to me and made a rude comment. I had no way of knowing that casually striking through parts of your statement, to show that I partially agreed, was going to offend you and on such a personal level. If I had known that, I never would've done it in the first place, as I have no intention of disrespecting anybody at SMB. The people who discuss music here are very respectful, passionate music fans, who have formed common bonds at Pulse and most of us even at the old R&R boards. We needed a haven to discuss music separate from the extraneous noise from the hundreds of others who use Pulse and SMB supplies that. It's perfectly fine for you to feel insulted when someone crosses out something you wrote online, but I feel it's unfair to continue holding me to that stance, when I apologized and explained my true intention, which was re-phrasing your statement (with your original words still visible), so that I agreed with it. I'm not on a high horse; I insist that I meant no ill will toward you whatsoever. And I don't hold any authority here at SMB; I'm on the exact same level you are here. You can consider me your adversary or enemy or what have you, and that's certainly your choice to make, but I do not consider you likewise. I will continue to speak to you civilly in any other topic here (even further discussion of Kanye West, T-Pain and "Love Lockdown"), as if none of this ever happened. |
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Post by krazymack on Nov 19, 2008 10:36:16 GMT -4
Alright, man, look. The difference here was that you purposefully talked down to me and made a rude comment. I had no way of knowing that casually striking through parts of your statement, to show that I partially agreed, was going to offend you and on such a personal level. Yeah, I purposefully did it, like you said. Maybe you will think twice about deleting part of a stranger's comment. We weren't really friends to begin with. |
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